Originally broadcast via satellite in February 1988, this conversation between Werner Erhard and Robert Reich delves into the sources of creative thinking and action.

Robert Reich, Chancellor’s Professor of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley, was Secretary of Labor in the Clinton administration.

Time Magazine named him one of the ten most effective cabinet secretaries of the twentieth century. He has written thirteen books, including the best sellers Aftershock and The Work of Nations.

His latest, Beyond Outrage, is now out in paperback. He is also a founding editor of the American Prospect magazine and chairman of Common Cause. His new film, Inequality for All, is now in theaters.

Watch the full interview Exercising Creative Leadership in Society at Werner Erhard ― Ideas in Conversation.